tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post8189445809219587851..comments2024-03-24T18:59:07.813-07:00Comments on ZENOPUS ARCHIVES: Where on the Great Kingdom map was "The Weird Enclave of Blackmoor"?Zenopus Archiveshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-24352003402543565972018-06-03T09:48:38.991-07:002018-06-03T09:48:38.991-07:00I tend to agree Hedgehobbit - though I loved the D...I tend to agree Hedgehobbit - though I loved the Darlene map it didn't leave much to the imagination and boxed in GMs to a degree. I've even been reconsidering my decision to do revisions to my old campaign world and halt work on my new one as I am getting burned out designing for the macro size. I'd rather focus on one region & build from there, sure I can mine my other settings as the campaign organically grows.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985893274707627326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-70632426659070034452013-11-22T12:44:28.028-08:002013-11-22T12:44:28.028-08:00Interesting thoughts Paleo! I posted some more com...Interesting thoughts Paleo! I posted some more comments on this <a href="http://blackmoor.mystara.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=7968&p=28142#p28142" rel="nofollow">here</a>. Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-68497510082608763162013-11-20T19:32:33.316-08:002013-11-20T19:32:33.316-08:00Just re-reading this great post, and maybe Gary wa...Just re-reading this great post, and maybe Gary wasn't mistaken about Blackmoor being on the northeast coast. In an article on the origins of D&D on page 7 of The Dragon #7 (June, 1977), Gary states:<br /><br />"When the International Federation of Wargaming was at its peak, it contained many special interest groups. I founded one of these, the “Castle & Crusade Society”. All members of this sub-group were interested in things medieval and I began publishing a magazine for them entitled Domesday Book. In an early issue, I drew up a map of the “Great Kingdom”. Members of the society could then establish their holdings on the map, and we planned to sponsor campaign-type gaming at some point. Dave Arneson was a member of the C&C Society, and he established a barony, Blackmoor, to the northeast of the map, just above the Great Kingdom. He began a local medieval campaign for the Twin Cities gamers and used this area."<br /><br />Perhaps that little asterisk near the small lake at the confluence of those two big rivers represents the capital of The Great Kingdom, and Blackmoor was situated to the north, on the northeast coast of the continent? I'm sure that some Arneson fans will eventually pinpoint the exact location...D. Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277670673178463645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-6772451119819680382012-10-13T18:55:11.710-07:002012-10-13T18:55:11.710-07:00That's a good point, I think I agree.That's a good point, I think I agree.Deltahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00705402326320853684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-45244197946096079562012-10-02T22:18:34.194-07:002012-10-02T22:18:34.194-07:00Just found this but this post is amazing!Just found this but this post is amazing!bholmeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04553614846487341510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-2108682374297836422012-08-15T14:04:26.441-07:002012-08-15T14:04:26.441-07:00BTW, gave this article a nod at: http://blackmoorm...BTW, gave this article a nod at: http://blackmoormystara.blogspot.no/2012/08/arneson-turns-c-map-into-rpg-world.html<br /><br />-HavardHavard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-62280147626467599732012-08-15T13:02:10.915-07:002012-08-15T13:02:10.915-07:00You may be right about the Peshwah thing Dan (DHBo...You may be right about the Peshwah thing Dan (DHBoggs). I always found the Hak/Lands of Peshwah/Valley of the Ancients confusing because they were changed between the different Arneson maps. I used to think that they were one and the same in the earliest versions, but the C&C map shows that they were always two separate regions. Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-41166224274258132012-08-13T09:22:00.905-07:002012-08-13T09:22:00.905-07:00Nice job Zenopus. I think you got it right. The ...Nice job Zenopus. I think you got it right. The only hitch, and I puzzled over this before, is Gary's comment about Blackmoor being in the far "Northeast". I think he was simply mistaken, but he could have had that northeast peninsula in mind. Have to quibble with Havard a little in that I'd see the dry steppes as corresponding best with the Hak/lands of the Peshwah, which is admittedly adjacent to the valley of the Ancients desert. DHBoggshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02170439175265397893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-10649127659262800702012-08-13T01:48:26.792-07:002012-08-13T01:48:26.792-07:00Great post Zenopus! This seems spot on. The Desert...Great post Zenopus! This seems spot on. The Desert of Arneson's world corresponds well with the Dry Steppes. Comparing the C&C map to the Darlene Map, it seems like Blackmoor wasnt moved at all. Rather the continent was expanded westwards?Havard:https://www.blogger.com/profile/03672640381532559035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-88568845972042509672012-08-12T21:16:43.134-07:002012-08-12T21:16:43.134-07:00Not specifically, but this could refer to friends ...Not specifically, but this could refer to friends of Gary's who started their own campaigns with their own players. Like Len Lakofka's Lendore Isles campaign, but I'm not sure when that particular one started.Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-61875158677027432462012-08-12T21:05:56.810-07:002012-08-12T21:05:56.810-07:00Works for me! I visited San Francisco once, and we...Works for me! I visited San Francisco once, and went to an area I believe is near Sea Cliff - the ruins of the Sutro Baths on the ocean.Zenopus Archiveshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14069501995927451558noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-34442000406270610812012-08-12T05:50:56.808-07:002012-08-12T05:50:56.808-07:00I wish Gary had kept Greyhawk as small area inside...I wish Gary had kept Greyhawk as small area inside a larger undefined game world. As beautiful as it was, Darlene's Greyhawk map really did a major disservice to fledgling DMs such as myself. Instead of a map with 5 miles hexes with locations of monsters and strange locals, we get a huge continental map devoid of anything interesting. The closest thing to the city of Greyhawk itself is four hexes away. That's 120 mile radius of nothing surrounding what should be the most detailed part of the game world. From that point on, game settings have all been set in their own worlds complete with continents and vast oceans and little reason for PCs to bother going from one empty space to another. Nothing unknown, nothing to explore.<br /><br />I can only imagine what D&D would be like if Gary and Dave had kept their respective settings as part of the same great communal world of adventure.Hedgehobbithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17606283586332210195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-51705155629807204832012-08-11T06:26:15.616-07:002012-08-11T06:26:15.616-07:00Very interesting! Any idea what this may refer to:...Very interesting! Any idea what this may refer to: "There are a few other independently run campaigns located on this map."?Terjehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06663734916610033975noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4046247285022763255.post-45106566646301123292012-08-10T17:39:30.570-07:002012-08-10T17:39:30.570-07:00Fascinating stuff! And a great setting for a Holm...Fascinating stuff! And a great setting for a Holmes campaign - you've got northern barbarians to menace a locale for B1 north of Blackmoor, and the "Realm" of the Great Kingdom seems beset on all sides by the forces of chaos...just plant B2 somewhere to the east of Greyhawk.<br /><br />Lately, I've been musing on the use of North America as a basis for this primordial campaign setting, with Greyhawk roughly corresponding to Chicago, etc. Could not Portown be based on San Francisco, in Holmes' California? (The comment of the "sea cliffs west of town" always seemed to me a nod to the Sea Cliff neighborhood in San Francisco).<br /><br />That little bay in the northwest corner of the map would fit the bill for a spot for Portown - one can easily imagine pirates roving the Far Ocean/northern sea with caravan routes to the Dry Steppes and Blackmoor...D. Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08277670673178463645noreply@blogger.com